Does anyone even remember Trump pre-2015? The guy was a joke and his show on tv sucked ass and all his brands failed.

How did he fool the hogs so good or did boater kulaks just never watch the apprentice or see E! News before?

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I think Hildawg was so incredibly unappealing that people decided to vote for Anyone But Hillary. It made absolutely no sense for her to be the candidate right after the Obama admin. People who loved Obama would hate her for the racism and the weird death threat that her campaign put out when she was running against him, and people who hated Obama saw her more or less as an Obama clone without any of his charisma. She was a candidate made for people who write opinion articles and nobody else.

Wait wait wait, death threat to Obama?

i believe that's an embellishment of her not dropping out when it was clear she was losing the primary because "he might get the-doohickey "

gotcha. I couldnt remember anything crazy so kinda figured

I remember it being uncritically in the zeitgeist that Obama might get shot because he was looking to be the first black president

“Birtherism” and “Muslim Garb” also had their origins on the Hillary campaign

Hell, I was a total lib back then and even I knew Hillary was fucking evil. Not cause "scary politician lady", but for pretty clear cases of her political actions getting people killed in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

Mostly just kind of came off as too drab to be a viable follow-up to Obama, too. You've got to escalate in some way.

Idk in New York the same suburban white women that loved Obama also adored Hillary. Most of the hate came from men, some for legitimate reasons and most for stupid reasons.

With the 2020 and coming 2024 cycles coming off as referendums on 2016, it gets hard at times to recall that 2016 itself had some referendum tendencies (referendencies); resentment from the 2008 primaries was a factor in the animus between the Clinton crowd and everyone else.