https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/top-russian-court-bans-lgbt-movement-extremist-2023-11-30/
Russia's Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the "LGBT movement" should be designated as extremist, in a move that representatives of gay and transgender people fear will lead to arrests and prosecutions.
Alright Z Posters, how do Ya`ll justify this?
Come on, you over there in Dongistan, tell me how Putin is "Based" And will help communism return to Russia?
Russian Nationalists infiltrating Marxist circles honestly is just annoying and I have zero tolerance on that.
I think I speak for most everyone when I say that this isn’t based, but marginally better than the Nazis that Ukraine brings into their ranks and radicalize other troops to accept Fascist-friendly brigades. Everyone here should criticize Russia in their many faults at the same time. That’s the beauty of the Dialectical Method, we can point out shortcomings and successes and address them as they are, not how we would like them to be.
Communism is the only ideology at the present which actually gets better over time, rather than just decaying into fascism. I see a lot of anticommunists point to their past failings or current flaws and there's a reason they ignore things like plans for the future; because it would make them look like a nazi. They can almost frame themselves as the antifascists even while all their actions point towards a fascist future.
That's a very good point. Libs say, 'How can you be a communist, don't you know how bad it was when people tried it?'
(Ignoring the fact that it has always been good, actually, on balance.) The answer is, 'Unlike capitalists, we have no reason to do what failed before.'
Hence why China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK have their own problems—but almost none of which are the same as those that happened in the USSR.
It's only liberals who say, 'This is capitalism, tough shit if you don't like it, things will get better in however many years. And yes, we plan to do all the stuff that's always been horrific, thank you. No, I don't understand contradiction, why do you ask?'
As that's built into the bourgeois outlook, they simply cannot comprehend how differently communists think.
“Stealing the toothbrushes is merely Phase 1, Mr. Bond. Little do you know that I have already initiated Phase 2 of my diabolical plan! You fancy yourself a… sexually aroused fellow, wouldn’t you, old chap? Perhaps, dare I say… Horny? Well, my horny British friend, I implore you to see my demonstration. We shall send top officers of mine to follow people around with Horny-Bonk-bats! And everyone will be FORCED to be VolCel!!! Evil Laughter”
if queer people in Russia take up arms to fight back, I'll support them even if it opens a window for imperialists to balkanize the region. they have as much a right to self-deterimination and life as anyone else.
The Russian government can have reactionary positions when it comes to LGBT issues, and yet still be the main force in the world today killing nazis who would like nothing more than to wipe LGBT people off the face of the earth.
Come on, you over there in Dongistan, tell me how Putin is "Based" And will help communism return to Russia?
No one says that, merely that they should be supported as an opponent of the imperial core
Russia isn’t being bombed back into the Stone Age by a ravaging imperialist power. They don’t deserve sympathy or excuses for takes like this.
Have you forgotten that the Donbas has been getting bombed by actual western funded nazis since 2014?
Is that Russia? How does the suffering of the people of Donbas influence the people of Kazan or Volgograd, or the Russian leadership into taking bizarre, disgusting, and reactionary decisions like this?
Is that Russia?
As recently as 1991 yes; Its up for them to decide and the consenus in the area has been Russian unification for a while now.
How does the suffering of the people of Donbas influence the people of Kazan or Volgograd, or the Russian leadership into taking bizarre, disgusting, and reactionary decisions like this?
How is occupying a position in the western hegemony, the one who is funding the needless slaughter of east ukraine justification for the uncoupling of support from the people that our governments are killing?
I think that if you sincerely want things to get better for LGBT+ comrades in Russia, which I do; it comes with the war stopping.
“Things to get better”
This law was passed this past week.
How does the death and destruction in the Donbas justify this reactionary policy? How will the war ending rectify this? Why would they not just continue down this reactionary path?
The law passed this week, 10 years into a war with the west.
No ones justifying anything, its a material analysis of the dialectics at play.
War enables right wing reactionary policies to flourish due to unity becoming the priority in the face of a percieved existenstial threat, as such its a given that the fastest route to the war ending is favourable for conditions improving.
And lastly, do you seriously think a forever war will be the better path?
A law that is built upon decades of rising hate and discrimination, this is just giving that a rubber stamp. It has been terrible for a while. Watch the Russian news, they speak about the community like vermin and pests.
Why am I to believe that the war ending would rectify this? Would that not invigorate those same right wing policies? They would be proven correct, and be seen as strong, giving them even more ground to build upon.
Some of them literally are, and if NATO wins they will most likely got thrown in even worse nightmare than in 90's because right now natoids openly speaks about balkanisation, setting up warlords and genocide.
The Donbas is not Russian land, and that is entirely irrelevant to this situation.
I’m sure leaders in ivory towers discriminating against gay people in Moscow will help the people of Donbas best NATO! Wooo!
Donbas was Russian for centuries, and certainly wasn't Ukrainian, until Lenin intervened and told them to shut up when they didn't wanted to belong to Ukraine (rare but severe Lenin L), and even then only on paper since they tried to secede two or three times since.
And i don't even understand your point. If you want to be so blunt and reductive, you could say the same about Gaza where LGBT situation is not all roses too. Are we only supposed to support people below certain threshold of military power or numerical disadvantage? Why Russia is so much worse than Iran, DPRK or all other socially conservative countries which we do support more or less critically?
I’m sure leaders in ivory towers discriminating against gay people in Moscow will help the people of Donbas best NATO! Wooo!
It is precisely what is currently happening.
Imagine going out of your way to justify reactionary homophobic policies. Did you forget the entire fucking point of critical support?
Also it’s good to know that Donbas was Russian for centuries. To bad Lenin’s terrible decision can’t be changed on a dime, because that’s not how international law works.
Again, how is the suffering of the people of Donbas at all related to this situation? What the hell are you talking about? How will this help them? You’ve brought up something so bizarre irrelevant to try and justify this that it’s comical.
Also it’s good to know that Donbas was Russian for centuries. To bad Lenin’s terrible decision can’t be changed on a dime, because that’s not how international law works.
Lenin wanted self-determination of Ukraine, respecting that Donbass is 90% Russian and them wanting to secede and being stopped by nazi-death azov miltias with western bombs was what started this whole mess. The Donbas war is directly linked to the repression of LGBT+ people, you misunderstand the propoganda and rhetoric going on involved with this war.
Why do you think Zelensky, the president of a country that untill very recently banned LGBT+ people from existance was dressing in drag while Ukraine was bombing the donbass? Why do you think they apparently legalized gay marriage, yet have nazi battalions beating up and bombing lgbt+ meetings still? They want to spur a reaction in Russia, because in turn it poisons the well for western support like it clearly has done for you and others in this thread.
None of the concessions Ukraine made to LGBT+ comrades has been sincere, and it has been at the knowing expense of LGBT+ comrades in both Ukraine and Russia, the only way to even begin to undo this damage is to advocate for a ceasefire and normalization of conditions in the area.
Im happy to back up any of the claims I made with sources, they are not hyperbole.
How does Ukraine’s disgusting wrongs make this correct?
The topic of the Donbas is entirely irreverent here. How does that affect or justify Russia's domestic policies?
You aren't even coherent now, i hope you're drunk or stoned because not only you are very aggressive but don't make any sense. I will block you for now.
Good way to ignore the topic.
I’m pissed that people like you run to support Russia’s reactionary domestic policies at the drop of a hat, then try to divert the topic by talking about Donbas.
You never answered the question. How does this help the people of Donbas?
Liberals looove that take. I seen one go as far as to deny evidence of the genocide because "Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar"
sometimes they slip through the cracks and people like pepe escobar is mentioned here. i want to believe that people are unaware of that
It's possible to both recognize how a state (Russia, Iran) can occupy an anti-imperialist position due to their circumstances and also recognize that they have seriously bigoted domestic politics.
Seeing how duginism is called out by name as not being allowed, it's safe to say you aren't going to see any redfash here who support this.